are we sure that the elder isn't a brother as opposed to being the same person. Cause the titles sems to signify that.TheEncounter 00:14, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

I assumed that it was father and son, like Pliny the Elder and Pliny the Younger. Person1 04:37, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I hadn't considered that. I just assumed it was the same guy with an "upgraded" title. NatOreN 09:31, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

You see i thought it was brothers and Sima is they're last name. More likely than father and son but thats something too. TheEncounter 00:14, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

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